First crack at a brass fret model!

Discussion in 'Workshop Benches' started by Keith M, Jul 27, 2017.

  1. ianvolvo46

    ianvolvo46 Staff Member Moderator

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    You're among the hallowed ranks of master kit builders Keith really good thread.

    Ian vt :tophat::tophat:
     
  2. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    ianvolvo46 wrote:
    Hmmmmmm, not sure about that, Ian, I just tend to 'bumble through', same as always!
    Toto, I started with a 25 watt iron, which was quite adequate for soldering the inner corners, but it became obvious when I began tinning around the edges of both inner and outer sides, that I'd need much more heat. My intention was to ensure solder all the way around each inner and outer side panel, and even if I'd fired up one of my bigger wattage irons, I couldn't see it giving enough heat to melt solder over the entire panel. Using the blowtorch with a very small flame but constantly moving it, the entire outer panel just settled nicely onto the inner in each case, with no hassle.It may not be the usual or accepted method of doing this, but it works for me! I will be going back to smaller irons when it comes to attaching small straps, corners etc. hopefully further progress this afternoon.
    Keith.
     
  3. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    I'll look forward to that Keith. I'd been hoping to use my 25w iron just to tack some small bits to hold in place. Not sure whether to give it a go. I can then go in with the bigger iron after its tacked in place.
    I'll let you know what I decide to do.
    Good luck with the rest of the build.
    cheers
    toto
     
  4. jakesdad13

    jakesdad13 Staff Member Moderator

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    Looking good Keith, it must be getting heavy now, I doubt you will need to put any extra weight, I will try the blow torch idea when I next have to layer up parts and overlays :thumbs:.

    Pete.
     
  5. EvanR

    EvanR Full Member

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    The ballast wagon is certainly coming up nicely, Keith. One additional tool which would be worthwhile investing in would be a fibreglass pen. I bought one recently for cleaning up metal parts before soldering, but I have since found it is also brilliant for stripping away excess solder after assembly.
     
  6. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    I do have a fibreglass pen Evan, but I've used some 0000 extra fine steel wool (the kind used when waxing hardwood) as my cleanup tool of choice. I've since added the rivet strips, catches etc to the body, but used superglue rather than soldering, as it's safer than risking unsoldering already fixed items with the blowtorch or even using a bigger soldering iron. I've now primed and painted the wagon, transfers next, and it'll then join the queue for my next bulk weathering session. Below is the blowtorch I've been using for assembly.....it's actually one that many UK plumbers use, although I only use propane as the fuel, there are cylinders of 'Mapgas' you can use which give temperatures high enough to braze with!
    Keith.

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  7. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Ahhhhhh ...... The beauty of it. :avatar: I like it. It shouts ...... Hammer at me. I need one of these. :thumbs:

    Let's see the piccies Keith.

    I am at the same point at the moment ....... Small pieces and the dreaded white metal. I'm cooling off whilst I plan my attack. How has the superglue worked for you ?

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  8. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    Hi Toto.
    Yes, I suppose my blowtorch, in comparison with Chef's torches or similar, will seem like the proverbial sledgehammer to crack the nut, but because it's a 'Professional' rather than a 'DIY' tool, it's well up to the job, it's never short of heat, but you can turn it right down to a tiny flame. I doubt you'll find these "Bernzomatic" blowtorches in B&Q, but most plumbers merchants seem to stock them (and the replacement propane and Mapgas cylinders). I've found that superglue has no problem in fixing the small brass bits and pieces onto the body, but obviously, only after all heat applications have finished. Off out now to a big family meetup, but pics will follow, probably tomorrow.
    Keith.
     
  9. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Hi Keith,

    Thanks for that. Enjoy the get together. :thumbs:
     
  10. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    I've now been able to complete this wagon, paint and transfers applied, dummy ballast load sorted, not forgetting my usual 'Kadee' coupling fit.

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    That looks great Keith, well done mate!:tophat:
     
  12. Keith M

    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    .....and the other side. Must admit, after my own research, confirmed by others re. the general opinion of Jidenco models, it has actually come out quite well and is a very solid wagon to boot. It's given me an insight into brass fret model building that will be useful when I start my GT3 project, as both loco and tender chassis are brass fret, so the experience is helpful to me anyway.

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    Keith M Staff Member Moderator

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    .....but now the GT3 has been pushed a little further back, as I've just bought a couple of 'Cambrian' plastic kits. I've started the 'Borail' one, but it'll be delayed for a few days as I've had to order 10.5mm disc wheels, transfers and more Kadee No.5's! Still, it's all experience, and as 'British Rail' used to advertise, "We're getting there!":avatar:

    Keith.

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  14. Toto

    Toto I'm best ignored Staff Member Founder Administrator

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    Very nice finish to the build Keith. Your plastic kits look interesting as well. I take it we will see the build when you start them.

    Onwards and upwards Keith.

    Cheers

    Toto
     
  15. SMR CHRIS

    SMR CHRIS Staff Member Moderator

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    Nice job with the finish of the wagon Keith looks very good.

    Re the blow torch that one is problay a bit of over kill you may end up turning the parts back to their raw state :giggle:

    I use a small gas pen type soldering irons with the torch fitting
    In place of the soldering tip it also comes with a deflector that can be used with the tip to concentrate the heat for sweating parts together.
     
  16. jakesdad13

    jakesdad13 Staff Member Moderator

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    Excellent job Keith :thumbs:, finished well.
    I've often hung my nose over Cambrian kits, they look to be interesting builds. Now if they made them in O scale I would be very interested!

    Cheer's, Pete.
     

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