"A Wrinkly in 3D Printing Land", a tale of an OAP Vs 3D printers

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  1. Jim Freight

    Jim Freight Full Member

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    P.S. Chris

    I omitted CPU performance from the PC spec, that is complicated, 10 to 20 years ago it was just the raw processor clock speed and bus width, e.g. 32 or 64 bit that mattered, now it is much more complicated as a 'processor device' has multiple cores (processors in one package) and appear to have various bus types for accessing RAM to suit different tasks.

    So I would investigate the use of a low to medium specification gaming machine but without the disco lights and flash casings that appear to be prevalent, or possibly a lightweight CAD workstation type of machine.

    At present I would be hard pressed to know what would be suitable, the videos help to a point. :scratchchin:

    Jim :)
     
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    Chris M If 2 wrongs don't make it right ... try 3 Full Member

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    Thanks Jim, a very detailed reply.

    I suspected there would be a lot of 'gotya's ... I have a fairly powerful PC and laptop. But I know from past experience using Meshmixer that the mesh data can easily become huge and very slow to process. I have watched videos using industrial scanners and they seem to do an amazing job ... BUT the price ... forget it. And they never mention what computer hardware they use to process the data ... I suspect top of the line.

    I applaud you for having a go at scanning models. For me I think I will wait until the technology improves and gets cheaper ... I may be in for a long wait !!! :headbanger:

    Chris
     
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    I’ve had some success with various ways of scanning from a mobile phone.

    the first image is of an enamel railway mash can (the colours around the bottom
    Is the reflection of the paper I’ve used to make it easier for the program/app to stitch the photos) - this should be ok in 7mm but no idea how small in 4mm it would be. This was filmed with the phone static on a tripod and changing to a second lower night for a second pass and around 70 photos whilst the object was rotated by hand on a turntable.

    The second part of the video was hand shot at a museum on Tuesday and shows the geodetic frame of a Vickers Wellington bomber as designed by Barnes Wallis. This is one of the largest scans I’ve done and is around 40ft long and 10 ft high. This was created using LiDAR, which is more a video based way of scanning.

    the last section is a 6inch high action figure of Dr Who. This was done by the figure standing still and I walked around the figure in a table. Again around 70 photos stitched together.

    All good fun and now to make two of them in to models, the third was just for fun! (The aircraft wing)
     
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    Hi Andy,

    I hope you will create a thread showing the processing of these images to generate a 3D printable file.

    I'm sure other P1 members would be interested.

    This may be the final straw for me and I finally buy a 'smart' phone, what model are you using for your scans?

    Jim :)
     
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    it’s an iPhone 13 Pro Max.
    I have around 4 different apps,
    Although I have found they differ in results, some are better than others at various bits and bobs, some charge. Some are free, but slow.
    Something will follow. I’m trying to work out how to do it.
     
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    Look forward to seeing a how to do it, pros and cons thread, especially if it requires an expensive phone.

    Jim :thumbup:
     
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    11.4 - EPC Coupling Assembly - Part 3

    Update 02/01/25

    I have now re-configured my Raise3D E2 with 0.2mm nozzles and started investigating how some parts can hopefully be made more precisely, this is the first to be looked at.

    Originally printed with a 0.4mm nozzle the dove-tail part was the most difficult, the male part being rather poor, and both parts requiring some attention with a file to make them 'fit' together.

    I have now re-visited this part and have now printed these couplings with what is a workable straight off the printer component parts.

    Initially printing from the original design the dove tail looks more like it should be although a little loose, so a tweak on the sloping faces of the male part by adding a nominal 0.05mm to each, yes that small, has resulted in parts which clip together straight off the printer.

    The ribbed effect of layers is very good at providing a clip fit, parts push together with a ratchet effect, however PLA is not very elastic and the layer adhesion not always strong enough, in this case will the base of the male dovetail part get sheared off easily in a rough shunt?

    This can be easily prevented by flowing some DeLuxe Materials Plastic Magic between the mated faces of the two parts, the dovetail provides positive alignment of the parts to each other and the adhesive bonds the two parts over a much larger area for high strength.

    Originally I printed these in ABS, this time I am using the HatchBox PLA Pro+ which I have found has much superior layer adhesion compared with their standard product during my Arkitex project.

    As before I prototype in light colours as it is easy to mark for further design adjustments than the black that will be used in service, mind you the yellow used this time is rather difficult to photograph. Note to self - upgrade your photographic tools, there is no excuse, just open the box and use it!

    Parts

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    Fitted to two ex-GWR shunters wagons

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    Coupled up to a Dublo wagon

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    Summary

    Removing the previous prototype couplings from the NEM sockets there are stress marks at the base of the legs that fit into the NEM socket in one set, although they had not failed.
    It was noted in the Arkitex project that this Pro+ PLA was noticeably more elastic than the standard PLA.

    The two part assembly has two advantages
    • The part which fits into the NEM socket of a wagon or loco is easily lengthened or cranked as required. The hook stays the same.
    • For a straight coupling the two parts can be printed without supports which saves time and materials.
    Next, put them into use to see how they fare without glueing.

    Jim :)

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