Dublo 3 Rail Layout

Discussion in 'Members Personal Layouts' started by Wolseley, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. Jim Freight

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    Hi Britrail, I experimented with this last year, the big issue I found was getting sufficient swing on the coupling to mimic a Dublo wagon fitted original.

    I am a fan of the generally disliked original bulky plastic Dublo coupling which despite its bulk is IMO the most efficient and reliable Dublo coupling, it is also the one that most easily lends itself to making with filament based 3D printing.

    My tightest curved track radius is approx 15 inches and so long as the other wagon has a free enough swing the pivot part of the NEM socket swings sufficiently for it to function reliably. However the minimum radius of Dublo tinplate track I suspect is much smaller.

    My intention is to revisit these couplings using a printer capable of printing at higher resolution in the near future and possibly print the dovetail of the socket so that a swivel can be included.

    Last years work can be found here.

    Jim :)
     
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  2. Britrail

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    Many thanks for your reply Jim ! According to the HRCA site "standard curves were of 15 inch radius, 8 to a circle. From 1940 a large radius 17.25 inch curve was available, allowing perfect double-track curves at the standard spacing of nominally 2.25 inches"
    So your couplings would be OK for 3-rail. If you ever get around to producing them in any quantity I'd me most interested to try a couple of pairs.
     
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  3. Britrail

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    I've never seen anyone selling repro 3-rail track, but the original is still plentiful because HD produced so much of the stuff over the years, there are rarer items of course - notably the very short straights and curves - quarters and especially eighths. I've tried a bit of Marklin track. It works with the "spoon" pickups, if a little noisy, but the plunger pick ups get stuck on it, so I keep a lookout for early Marklin M track which did have a continuous centre rail like HD, but it doesn't come up for sale very often.
     
  4. Jim Freight

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    Thanks, I would probably get them produced for sale through a 3rd party like Shapeways, 3D printing is a slow process and it's too late in the day for me to consider quantity production myself, too much on my 'bathtub' list, however whether they could made at a price which would sell is another issue altogether. I get the impression that if there was a market for selling a few 100 pairs then there would already be some available, but may be not. :scratchchin:

    This also applies to the vintage parts I have developed for the Arkitex 00 system, these old toys really appeal, and what makes 3D printing worth the effort for me is being able to just print the parts I want, especially custom parts now that I have built up a catalogue of components and, have just about got the geometry of the system reverse engineered correctly at last. Then there was how to translate them into something that is printable and usable.

    Jim :)
     
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    Most interesting. Keep us posted Jim if you work on this subject again.
     
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  6. Britrail

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    If you need a beta tester I’m your man :avatar:
     
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  7. Andy_Sollis

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    I stopped using Shapeways about 4 years ago personally. Started charging ridiculous prices for both small and large, yet continue to email saying “so and so has produced this ring” and I sit there thinking... so why doesn’t my model meet minimum sizes ? How much are they paying cost it must be in to the multiple hundred £/$\€ figures. And that’s why we invested in the resin printer.

    I’ve left all my models on there, had one sent back only last week asking ,e to update it for a customer as the windows now no longer were ,eating minimum sizes and could I make the, look so ridiculously thick to meet those sizes that it looked like it had been on steroids!

    No, I’d give shapeways a wide steer these days Jim

    Andy
     
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    Thanks Andy, sounds like that they are cutting corners at the design creators expense, if your 7mm models are becoming undesireable my 4mm parts would probably not be acceptable to them either. I presume you print and sell directly now?

    Perhaps they are finding that the time it takes to print some designs is eating away at the bottom line, or perhaps they are just being more selective, that is cherry picking easy items to print to maximise profit.

    The problem with my parts, particularly the Arkitex 00 range is that quite a few of any one part would be required by an 'enthusiast' and with e.g. some panels taking between 30 and 45 minutes to print an order of even 10 panels requires a lot of printing time, but I am probably safe there, as in practice despite the modest number of views and my postings rising on Google thanks to P1MRC it's a niche too tight. Anyway, not a problem as I am not doing it for profit, I am doing it out of personal interest.

    Simplex couplings to fit NEM sockets may have a small market, but so far only one person (Britrail) has asked about such items, but once again these are personal interest items, if a demand arises then I will consider delivering it.

    Jim :)
     
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  9. Wolseley

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    Interesting. I have a small number of models that I could use something like this on......

    Jim (yes, another one)
     
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    Noted Wolseley, Jim :)
     
  11. Wolseley

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    After using Marklin skates to three rail two Tri-ang B12 chassis, used under GEM Caledonian Cardean (903 class) whitemetal bodies, and one Tri-ang Albert Hall chassis, adapted to fit a DJH Caledonian Railway 60 class, I noticed that their running over diamond crossings was fairly reliable but slightly erratic, with the locos sometimes momentarily slowing at the crossing and, every once in a while, stalling. Now Marklin skates come in various sizes, but the ones I was using were about 2mm longer than a Dublo pickup, so there shouldn't have been a problem but, as it was only a very occasional thing, I decided just to leave things alone. I suspect the plastic centre of the crossing is slightly higher than the rails, possibly only by under 1mm, which wouldn't be a problem for a Dublo pickup, but could cause a Marklin skate, being flat and rigid, to momentarily lose contact with the centre rail.

    I had started three railing another Albert Hall chassis, to be used to motorise a DJH Caledonian Railway 944 class ("Wemyss Bay Pug") 4-6-2T and noticed that there was just (and only just) enough room to fit a Dublo three rail pickup underneath the chassis, so I decided to give it a go and see if I could get it to work. I used a nylon 8BA bolt to screw the pickup into the chassis (otherwise I would have ended up with a short circuit). I first tried it with the Tri-ang baseplate in place, but there wasn't quite enough clearance, with the chassis losing traction when it passed over points and uncoupling ramps but, when I mounted the pickup direct to the chassis, it worked and ran very well indeed.

    I will, in time, fit Dublo pickups to both my Cardeans and the 60 class and I should be able to fit them to the M7 chassis i intend to use for my two DJH 439 class 0-4-4T kits. They should also work with the L1 chassis I used for my Highland Railway "Big Ben" which is a modified GEM NBR Glen kit. There is not enough clearance to use them under an 0-6-0 chassis unfortunately.

    Here it is:

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    Jim
     
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  12. Britrail

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    Edit:
    Great minds clearly think alike Mr Wolseley :lol:. I’d only just posted this when yours came up. We must’ve been writing them at the same time!


    I’ve had this 2-rail "Gronk" sitting a round for a while now.
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    I’d been wanting to do this since I picked up this one here in France last year, but I didn’t want to do anything permanent and didn’t want to mess up a perfectly good 2-rail model.
    The original plan was to use the 3-rail pickup unit from a dead 0-6-2T I had lying around, but everything I read about such conversions warned of poor running due to the fact that the insulated wheels would only return on one side. Solutions such as using conductive paint have been used by others with mixed results.
    I figured that ideally the 2-rail pick up would need to be retained. But how ?
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    This is the solution, the wire from this Marklin slider shoe is simply passed up through the hole in the chassis. The two rail pickup wire is cut, lengthened and soldered to the brush holder. The wire from the motor is soldered to the wire from the skate. Then some insulating tape is cut and stuck onto the pick up plate and the Marklin skate is positioned and superglued in place on the tape.
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    The result us an easy to reverse conversion and a very smooth running loco. It only took about 30 minutes to do. Writing up, posting and editing this has taken longer than the conversion!
    "Coughs and sneezles, spread diseasels" as a certain GWR tank engine once said. IMG_0483.jpeg
     
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  13. Wolseley

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    I gave the layout a thorough clean today with track rubber, large paintbrushes and vacuum cleaner and then one thing led to another and I ended up cleaning the whole room. A rather brief running session followed:

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